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Marcus Harlid
4 discussion posts
Hi!
I've noticed that alt+tab works in a weird way when using displayFusion. It only shows the programs that are running om my main monitor and not my secondary. Is there anyway to change this so that i can alt+tab between all programs? This would be very helpful!
Sep 30, 2012  • #1
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Are you running Windows 8? If so, it's a bug specific to Windows 8, but we're working on fixing it up :)

Thanks!
Oct 1, 2012  • #2
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Marcus Harlid
4 discussion posts
Yeah its Win 8. Any ETA on when it will be fixed.
Oct 1, 2012  • #3
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Not yet unfortunately, it's a weird issue. I'll post an update as soon as we have one though.

Thanks!
Oct 2, 2012  • #4
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Aaron Spurlock
15 discussion posts
Is there any update on this issue? I noticed 4.3 came out today, but Alt-Tab still isn't working for me properly on Windows 8.
Nov 7, 2012  • #5
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
So far the only way we've been able to get around it, is by creating our own Alt+Tab handler from scratch. It's still a work in progress, but if you guys would like to try it out, just enable the "Alt+Tab Handler: Force Enabled" option in the Advanced Settings.

If you do get a chance to try it out, please let us know how it goes.

Thanks!
Nov 8, 2012  • #6
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Paul Terry
6 discussion posts
I tried "Alt+Tab Handler: Force Enabled", and it seems to fix the Alt Tab problem.

One issue: it appears to not update the window title in the alt-tab display

New DisplayFusion user... nice work.

Paul
Nov 12, 2012  • #7
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Aaron Spurlock
15 discussion posts
So far so good it appears! THanks!
Nov 12, 2012  • #8
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
@Aaron: Glad to hear it!

@Paul: Which program didn't have the correct window title in the Alt+tab handler?
Nov 12, 2012  • #9
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Paul Terry
6 discussion posts
Chrome
Nov 12, 2012  • #10
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deanis
256 discussion posts
Ditto for Firefox
Nov 13, 2012  • #11
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Thanks guys, I've confirmed that here as well. We'll add this to our list!
Nov 13, 2012  • #12
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deanis
256 discussion posts
Speaking of Alt+Tab, I am seeing the lag mentioned elsewhere now. But it's not where I'd expect it. I assumed it was when the switcher was appearing, but I'm actually seeing lag after releasing Alt and before the switcher disappears.
Nov 13, 2012  • #13
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Interesting! Is this also happening when you've got a lot of windows open?
Nov 14, 2012  • #14
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
@Paul and deanis: The window titles for the browsers should be all fixed up in 5.0 Beta 4.

Thanks!
Nov 29, 2012  • #15
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deanis
256 discussion posts
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@Paul and deanis: The window titles for the browsers should be all fixed up in 5.0 Beta 4.


Seems to be working much better so far. Can't get an incorrect tab title to display for FF yet.
Nov 29, 2012  • #16
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deanis
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Interesting! Is this also happening when you've got a lot of windows open?


Most often I run with about two rows of tabs. I'll let you know if I see this still in b4.
Nov 29, 2012  • #17
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Sounds good, thanks guys!
Nov 29, 2012  • #18
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Michael Greene
3 discussion posts
so, I've been using this fix for a while after finding it and it seems DisplayFusion sometimes "loses" the alt+tab handle and it reverts back to the Windows alt+tab handler. The workaround is to restart DisplayFusion when this happens, but it's kind of obnoxious. I haven't noticed a pattern for when it happens or what might trigger it yet.

Is there any additional information I can provide to help track this down?
Feb 15, 2013  • #19
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Interesting! I'm not sure what would be causing that to happen. Would you be able to enable debug logging as per the steps below? Hopefully it will indicate an error with the hooks or something that's causing this to happen.
  • Enable debug logging on the Troubleshooting tab (set it to Logging: Important Only) and click Apply
  • The next time it stops working, please note the time so I'll know where to look in the log file
  • Send me the %appdata%\DisplayFusion\DisplayFusion.log file (can be found by clicking the 'Open Log' button on the Troubleshooting tab)
  • Disable debug logging after sending me the log
Thanks!
Feb 22, 2013  • #20
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Michael Greene
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Okay, debug logging is on.
Feb 22, 2013  • #21
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Michael Greene
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okay, it happened again just now (roughly 3:43 PM local time)

EDIT:

It seems mostly to coincide with me playing a game called "World of Tanks," as it did this time. I can't recall a time where it happened when I was not playing this game, so maybe it's got something to do with that.
• Attachment [protected]: DebugInfo.txt [48,671 bytes]
• Attachment [protected]: DisplayFusion.log [381,898 bytes]
Feb 22, 2013 (modified Feb 22, 2013)  • #22
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Interesting! I'll install World of Tanks and see if I can reproduce it here. I'll keep you posted on what I find.

Thanks!
Feb 23, 2013  • #23
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
I had a chance to test World of Tanks today, and I've tried running it both full screen as well as windowed, and it doesn't seem to affect the DisplayFusion Alt-Tab handler at all.

On your system, does it happen immediately after launching World of Tanks, or after a certain period of time? Also, are you running it full screen or windowed, and are you alt-tabbing in and out of the game when it happens?
Feb 27, 2013  • #24
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David D
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Hello, I apologize for resurrecting an old thread but this is a frequent issue for me. So much so that I have turned off multi-monitor taskbars in Windows 8 so that I don't have to deal with the issue anymore.

Is there any new information? If needed, I can also provide debugging/log info. In my experience, the alt-tab handler reverts back to Windows 8's handler randomly and frequently. I'd say roughly once per day or perhaps once every 2 days. (This is on my work computer, so a day is constant 8 hour usage.)

Please let me know if there is an update or if you need anything else. Thanks!
May 1, 2013  • #25
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
@David: Would you be able to do the following to help us troubleshoot?
  • Enable debug logging on the Troubleshooting tab (set it to Logging: Important Only) and click Apply
  • Restart DisplayFusion
  • The next time you notice it's stopped working, please note the time so I'll know where to look in the log file
  • Attach the %appdata%\DisplayFusion\DisplayFusion.log file to this topic (can be found by clicking the 'Open Log' button on the Troubleshooting tab)
  • Disable debug logging after sending me the log

Thanks!
May 1, 2013  • #26
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David D
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Well, it's been 2 weeks since I turned on debugging and I haven't had a single issue with the alt-tab handler on my work computer and I use it all the time. Either you guys fixed it somehow or the gremlins are being particularly mean to me! :)
May 16, 2013  • #27
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Simon T
15 discussion posts
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@David: Would you be able to do the following to help us troubleshoot?
  • Enable debug logging on the Troubleshooting tab (set it to Logging: Important Only) and click Apply
  • Restart DisplayFusion
  • The next time you notice it's stopped working, please note the time so I'll know where to look in the log file
  • Attach the %appdata%\DisplayFusion\DisplayFusion.log file to this topic (can be found by clicking the 'Open Log' button on the Troubleshooting tab)
  • Disable debug logging after sending me the log

Thanks!


I just upgraded to Win 8 and I'm having the exact same issue. I've got Win 8 x64 & Display Fusion Pro 5.1.0 (Beta 5) installed.

I've attached my log file following your instructions. The problem persisted even after restart DF - I haven't tried restarting Windows yet...

Edit: I just saw the advanced setting for the DF Alt+Tab handler and that seems to do the trick.
• Attachment [protected]: DisplayFusion.log [436,651 bytes]
May 19, 2013 (modified May 19, 2013)  • #28
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
@David and Simon: Glad to hear it's working well for you guys! Please let me know if you do run into any more issues at all.

Thanks!
May 22, 2013  • #29
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David D
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It finally happened again!

This morning around 1128am or 1129am Central Time, US.

Log file is attached. Hope this helps!
• Attachment [protected]: DisplayFusion.log [7,267,135 bytes]
May 29, 2013  • #30
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Thanks! There are a few lines in the debug log that we're going to review. I'll keep you posted as soon as we have more news.
May 29, 2013  • #31
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
@David: We've added some more logging info for the Alt-Tab Handler in 5.1 Beta 8 (http://www.displayfusion.com/Download/Beta/). Could you update to beta 8, and send a new copy of the debug log when it happens again?

Thanks!
Jun 26, 2013  • #32
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David D
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Absolutely! I have installed the beta version and will reply with a log as soon as it happens again.

A side note: This has happened to me a few times in the last week and every time, I have noticed that a totally separate app called "DDMM" also stops working at the exact same time. Hopefully this is not a problem with Windows 8 that can not be fixed! :)

Thanks again.
Jun 26, 2013 (modified Jun 26, 2013)  • #33
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Interesting! After you send me the next log, would you be able to try exiting DDMM before restarting DisplayFusion to see if it might be interfering?
Jun 26, 2013  • #34
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David D
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Just happened again. Log file attached.

Restarting DF always fixes it, regardless of if DDMM is still running or not. Same with restarting DDMM. I just thought it was interesting that both fail at the same time. However, I've noticed in the past 2 days that DDMM fails on its own sometimes while DF continues to work correctly. So who knows. :)
• Attachment [protected]: DisplayFusion.log [7,209,384 bytes]
Jun 28, 2013  • #35
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Thanks! In the log, it looks like your workstation was locked for a while, and then after that, you restarted DisplayFusion twice. When did you notice that the Alt-Tab handler had stopped working? Was it after unlocking the workstation but before the DF restarts?
Jun 28, 2013  • #36
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David D
12 discussion posts
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Thanks! In the log, it looks like your workstation was locked for a while, and then after that, you restarted DisplayFusion twice. When did you notice that the Alt-Tab handler had stopped working? Was it after unlocking the workstation but before the DF restarts?


I noticed the alt-tab handler had stopped working immediately before the first of the 2 DisplayFusion restarts. Yes, the computer was locked overnight. I came into work this morning, did a few things, then noticed alt-tab was not working. Hope that helps!
Jun 28, 2013  • #37
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Ok interesting! Do you know if it worked at all after you unlocked the computer? Or was it broken the first time you tried to use it this morning?
Jun 28, 2013  • #38
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David D
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Ok interesting! Do you know if it worked at all after you unlocked the computer? Or was it broken the first time you tried to use it this morning?


Unfortunately, I did not try it directly after I unlocked the computer. It was probably 30-60 minutes after that when I tried it and it did not work. Sorry!
Jun 29, 2013  • #39
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Ok, no worries! We'll check it this log further and hopefully it will point us in the right direction.
Jul 2, 2013  • #40
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
We've just posted DisplayFusion 5.1 Beta 10 (http://www.displayfusion.com/Download/Beta/), and this should hopefully be all fixed up now. Could you give it a try when you have a chance?

Thanks!
Jul 4, 2013  • #41
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David D
12 discussion posts
Thanks! Downloading now.
Jul 5, 2013  • #42
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David D
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Side note:

I noticed that you guys have added a couple more functions for moving the mouse cursor around. Very cool! If you could just add 1 more that moves the mouse cursor identical to how DDMM does, that would be awesome and even more-so solidify my purchase of this wonderful software. :)

Basically, the options you have are nice but DDMM simply enables moving the cursor to the next monitor in the same (relative) position that it was in when the command was given. So if you have 3 monitors (as I do at home), you can tell DDMM the order of the monitors and then it will move from 1 to 2 or 2 to 3 or 3 back to 1. I have gotten so used to being able to do this with a button on my mouse that I use it literally hundreds of times a day and never move my cursor between monitors manually!

It looks like the functions being added are very similar so I'm hoping that it would be fairly trivial to add this one slight change. Thanks!
Jul 5, 2013  • #43
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Ok cool, I'll add that to our list as well :)
Jul 5, 2013  • #44
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
@David: We've just released DF 5.1 B11, and it now has "Move Mouse Cursor to Next/Previous Monitor" Functions.

Thanks!
Jul 11, 2013  • #45
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David D
12 discussion posts
Uh, wow. That was insanely fast; you guys are awesome.

I'm also a software developer and I know the great feeling of when a customer gives good feedback so please tell the dev that implemented this: "YOU RULE." :D
Jul 11, 2013  • #46
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kludeman
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I just finally got around to googling on the alt-tab issue I had noticed with DisplayFusion and Win8 and found this page - awesome fix! Seems to be working well!

One thing I noticed is that the alt-tab handler seems to pick up Dexpot and its plugins as running applications, even though they are only running in the tray (no active windows). I had dexpot running with the plugins for DexControl, DexCube, Slideshow, and Wallpaper Clock - and I was getting alt-tab applications shown for the Dexpot app, Wallpaper Clock, and Slideshow. Turning off the plugins for the clock and slideshow made those two go away. leaving only Dexpot.

Anyway, even with this quirk, this is way better than alt-tabbing only through my primary monitor applications, so I can live with it, but thought I would bring it up here. Maybe a "ignore applications for Alt-Tab" compatibility setting?

This is as of the 5.1.0 (Beta 11) that just dropped. I don't know if the issue was occurring before this build, since I didn't have the alt-tab handler enabled before now. Let me know if you need more information from me.

Thanks and keep up the great work.

Keith
Jul 12, 2013  • #47
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PGomersall
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Keith,
The alt-tab handler windows seems to appear on the main monitor. I wonder if you could provide a setting that forces the window to appear on the monitor where the mouse is? The other option that may be even nicer would be to open handler windows on each monitor that reflect the current application set that is specific to the monitor; tabbing would do main monitor then onto secondary etc.
Pete
Jul 12, 2013  • #48
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
@kludeman: I wasn't able to reproduce that issue here when I tested with Dexpot 1.6.9 Build 2285. Could you check to see which version of Dexpot you're running?

@Pete: We do have that on our list, so we'll let you know when we're able to implement it :)

Thanks!
Jul 15, 2013  • #49
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kludeman
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Well, I just tried my steps again and I'm not reproducing the issue anymore either. Maybe I needed a good reboot after changing the configuration of either displayfusion or Dexpot. Not sure which, but everything appears to be fine now. FYI, I am using the version of Dexpot that you mentioned - 1.6.9.2285.

Sorry, I should have rebooted once before reporting it.

Thanks for the response,

Keith
Jul 15, 2013  • #50
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
No worries, just let me know if you are able to reproduce it again and we'll go from there :)

Thanks!
Jul 15, 2013  • #51
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David D
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Sorry to resurrect this thread yet again, but I just had my alt-tab handler fail on me again for the first time in quite a while. I have attached the log. I am also going to update from beta 12 to beta 13 to see if that fixes it. Hope this helps!
• Attachment [protected]: DisplayFusion.log [7,068,504 bytes]
Jul 31, 2013  • #52
Jon Tackabury (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Hi David, we fixed a few Alt+Tab bugs in Beta 13, were you running that version when it failed? If not, can you upgrade to Beta 13 and see if it's any better? Thanks!
Aug 2, 2013  • #53
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David D
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No, I was using Beta 12 when it occurred. I have since upgraded to Beta 13 and it hasn't happened again. I'll update again if it does.

However, I've noticed a definite slow-down in alt-tab performance since upgrading to Beta 13.
Aug 5, 2013  • #54
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JeffR
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How about showing the alt-tab window on the active monitor instead of just on the main monitor?
Aug 5, 2013  • #55
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PGomersall
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How about showing the alt-tab window on the active monitor instead of just on the main monitor?


Like me you didn't read other requests that were already on the site see #48 and #49 as reply.
Pete
Aug 6, 2013  • #56
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
@David: I've had a couple of instances where it was a bit slow for me as well, but we haven't been able to pinpoint the cause yet. We've got this on our list, so I'll be sure to post an update when we've got it nailed.

@Jeff: I've added your vote to the open feature request for that functionality :)
Aug 7, 2013  • #57
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
We've just released a new DisplayFusion beta version and the Alt-Tab Handler should now open quicker than before. Please let me know if it's still slow to open after updating to 6.0 Beta 3 :)

Thanks!
Apr 15, 2014  • #58
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Jason195
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Just want to throw my two cents, this feature doesn't work in my setup because I use a Mac keyboard on my Windows machine and I run AutoHotKeys to switch my alt and my option keys on my keyboard (because you know, Mac likes to be all different lol).

I have this script running on AutoHotKeys:

Code

LAlt::LWin
LWin::LAlt


If I shutdown AutoHotKeys, then the alt-tab handler works fine.
May 9, 2014 (modified May 9, 2014)  • #59
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
Does the normal Windows alt-tab work if you have that AHK script running? You can test by exiting DisplayFusion first, then trying alt-tab.

Thanks!
May 12, 2014  • #60
Keith Lammers (BFS)'s profile on WallpaperFusion.com
We've just released a new DisplayFusion beta version and there are now some new Alt-Tab options on the Window Management tab, one of which is an option to show Alt-Tab only on the current monitor :)

Please let us know if you run into any trouble after updating.

Thanks!
Jun 8, 2014  • #61
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